Posts by Jim Dee

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The brothers hacked my email!

by Erin in

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just learned that a group of jws hacked my email over a considerable period of time, hoping to intercept "incriminating" information in an attempt to disfellowship me!.

they printed up the emails and passed them out to other elders to "examine".

they were certainly very, very disappointed to not find anything they could "use".. the only outgoing emails from me they obtained were those attached to incoming mail as a result of some friends hitting "respond" when they wrote back to me.. the person who got into my email account is a ministerial servant who had previously worked on my business web site and therefore had my password.. he would download my email onto his computer, miles away, and then put everything back as "unread" so nothing would be "missing", when i accessed email from my computer.

Jim Dee

Give me something new regarding information.

The Society have been hacking email for ages, they use the FBI system called CARNIVORE - its common knowledge. Before CARNIVORE they used VPOP, however VPOP doesn't record emails through Service providor services such as Hotmail, Yahoo! etc - so the answer was to engage ex CIA brothers who are security experts to help them "root out the apostates" , and this they have done. These guys have been in London for the last 4 months upgrading the site - why? because of the number of very serious leaks.

Also all voice traffic out of Bethel is monitored (pay Phones or switchboards) as well as fax lines. For voice they use either the NICE or COMVERSE voice recorder attached to their switchboard (the switchboards are usually Meridian 1 or Meridian Option 11 made by Nortel) - how do I know, I designed it!

Regarding trying to get proof - give me a break since when did they need proof to disfellowship!

Why is this news?

Jim

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The brothers hacked my email!

by Erin in

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friends

just learned that a group of jws hacked my email over a considerable period of time, hoping to intercept "incriminating" information in an attempt to disfellowship me!.

they printed up the emails and passed them out to other elders to "examine".

they were certainly very, very disappointed to not find anything they could "use".. the only outgoing emails from me they obtained were those attached to incoming mail as a result of some friends hitting "respond" when they wrote back to me.. the person who got into my email account is a ministerial servant who had previously worked on my business web site and therefore had my password.. he would download my email onto his computer, miles away, and then put everything back as "unread" so nothing would be "missing", when i accessed email from my computer.

Jim Dee

Give me something new regarding information.

The Society have been hacking email for ages, they use the FBI system called CARNIVORE - its common knowledge. Before CARNIVORE they used VPOP, however VPOP doesn't record emails through Service providor services such as Hotmail, Yahoo! etc - so the answer was to engage ex CIA brothers who are security experts to help them "root out the apostates" , and this they have done. These guys have been in London for the last 4 months upgrading the site - why? because of the number of very serious leaks.

Also all voice traffic out of Bethel is monitored (pay Phones or switchboards) as well as fax lines. For voice they use either the NICE or COMVERSE voice recorder attached to their switchboard (the switchboards are usually Meridian 1 or Meridian Option 11 made by Nortel) - how do I know, I designed it!

Regarding trying to get proof - give me a break since when did they need proof to disfellowship!

Why is this news?

Jim

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Homosexuality and Bethel

by Jim Dee in

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there is a lot of post about gay men in canada bethel and how when knorr came in he "booted out" 70 gay men.

also stories about brothers visiting "massage parlours".

is any of this true, is there proof and personal accounts?.

Jim Dee

There is a lot of post about Gay men in Canada Bethel and how when Knorr came in he "booted out" 70 Gay men. Also stories about Brothers visiting "Massage Parlours"

Is any of this true, is there proof and personal accounts?

Jim

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JW expansion cancelled in Britain - official

by dmouse in

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forgive me if this has been covered before but i only drop in occasionally.. i seem to remember some months ago that a poster talked about the planned relocation of the british branch to milton keenes.

i think he said that the move had been scrapped because of the lack of growth in britain?

i also believe that this decision had been made before the sept 11th attacks.

Jim Dee

Twas I who talked about the move to MK of Derby,

Please see below the post put up on Jan 1st to this web site, as usual the society are telling the truth from their view point:-

The move to central UK (either Milton Keynes or Derby) has been scrapped - it has not yet been formally announced but is common knowledge in Bethel
The Society is now buying a "Brown Feld Site" (the old gas works next to Bittacy Hill) for a reduced rate and a HUGE Government Grant as the land needs to be cleaned before build. They are selling some of the prime land at Bethel they own for housing (planning permission has already been obtained).

They are using part of the site of the french Bethel for storage of magazines (thereby circumventing the new tax laws) and are selling the rest of the site off.

More news as soon as I get it

Jim

As an addendum to that, a post mas made that showed the water rights access has already been finalised for housing and light industrial

Hope that clears up any misunderstanding

Jim

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Where do the gb stay?????

by buffalosrfree in

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i have always wondered just where the speakers from bethel, and just where do the gb members stay when they are at district assassinations, er well you know and cas.

do they stay in modest motels hotels or do their setttings have to be in 5 star hotels?????.

(like in only the very best will do)just a questions i've always had.

Jim Dee

London Bethel has 7 Rooms available for GB and members from NY who are over here (3 are currently being used by security specialists who are analysing call records and internet records).

They are modest and well planned.

If anyone is travelling to an assembly hall or an assembly they stop in 3 start hotels (usually a THF Post house or similar). If the gathering is at Bows road they commute from Bethel, Machester is at the Manchester Post House 3 buildings down from the Assembly Hall. If the meeting is at the Bristol Assembly Hall then they stop at the Bristol Swallow Hotel.

Sorry to disappoint - they don't stop at the Ritz.

Jim

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THE LATEST FROM LONDON BETHEL

by Jim Dee in

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the move to central uk (either milton keynes or derby) has been scrapped - it has not yet been formally announced but is common knowledge in bethel.

the society is now buying a "brown feld site" (the old gas works next to bittacy hill) for a reduced rate and a huge government grant as the land needs to be cleaned before build.

they are selling some of the prime land at bethel they own for housing (planning permission has already been obtained).. they are using part of the site of the french bethel for storage of magazines (thereby circumventing the new tax laws) and are selling the rest of the site off.. more news as soon as i get it.

Jim Dee

The move to central UK (either Milton Keynes or Derby) has been scrapped - it has not yet been formally announced but is common knowledge in Bethel

The Society is now buying a "Brown Feld Site" (the old gas works next to Bittacy Hill) for a reduced rate and a HUGE Government Grant as the land needs to be cleaned before build. They are selling some of the prime land at Bethel they own for housing (planning permission has already been obtained).

They are using part of the site of the french Bethel for storage of magazines (thereby circumventing the new tax laws) and are selling the rest of the site off.

More news as soon as I get it

Jim

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Who was the true Christian?

by Jim Dee in

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yesterday i was in london city centre.. there were 14 salvation army people helping the homeless and street drifters get a meal and check on their health.

the sa were concerned for these people, blue with cold (it was -5 yesterday), yet doing there best to help those who were defenseless and at risk.

at the same time were 3 jw's at the other end of shaftsbury ave selling mags.. which was the true christians, those who helped ones who could not return the gift - or the preachers?.

Jim Dee

Yesterday I was in London City Centre.

There were 14 Salvation Army people helping the homeless and street drifters get a meal and check on their health. The SA were concerned for these people, blue with cold (it was -5 yesterday), yet doing there best to help those who were defenseless and at risk.

At the same time were 3 JW's at the other end of Shaftsbury Ave selling mags.

Which was the true Christians, those who helped ones who could not return the gift - or the preachers?

I was ashamed

Jim

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JW statistics 2001 -- www.jwic.com/stat.htm

by Osarsif in

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jw statistics 2001:.

http://www.jwic.com/stat.htm.

Jim Dee

A picture tells a thousand words

I wonder why they haven't put this graph in the Watchtower???

Jim

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Is the WTBS lead by strong spiritual men/Bullies

by Jim Dee in

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is the wtbs lead by strong spiritual men or bullies?.

the wtbs says it is strong spiritual men because:-.

they are spiritually qualified.

Jim Dee

Is the WTBS lead by strong spiritual men or Bullies?

The WTBS says it is strong spiritual men because:-

They are spiritually qualified
They take decisive action to discipline and disfellowship
They give hard hitting public talks
They reprove when needed
They follow the theocratic order
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Some however say they are bullys because:-

They misuse their "God Given" Power.
They berate by twisting the application of scriptures.
They frighten and hurt those who cannot defend themselves.
They compromise standards behind the scenes whilst talking of past "hard hitting glories"
They put money before care of the congregation, claimimg tax releif in the name of Jehovah
They "get out of the way" those who have the backbone to question crazy decisions,
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Comments Please

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Forgiveness and Guilt Trips

by Mommie Dark in

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http://www.echonyc.com/~onissues/f95guilt.html.

got this in my mail today; i thought it was fascinating.

it's long but well worth reading.

Jim Dee

Forgiveness can and must be given, that gives you the ability to move on and put matters behind you.

But in order to do those things, justice must be done - and seen to be done - first.

This is the whole issue of child abuse and the societies lack of action. The local elders are not acting, they are not dispensing justice on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves. Justice is not being done, and the victim cannot get on with their lives. The evildoer is left to do further wrong, and the victims suffer again and again - if only by proxy.

If the society is ever to get back on the right path, they must right wrongs, have strong leadership and dispense true, balanced, justice. They must put love before money and justice before ego.

The WTBS are weak men taking the lead and producing a damaged following, distrust and punishment of the innocent. They bully the defensless because they cannot fight back, and remove those who have the backbone to fight so the WTBS cannot be shown up for what they are.

Jim